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Brawn mystified by tyre gremlins

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Old 07-27-2009, 05:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Ross Brawn is mystified by the recent tyre concerns that have plagued his Brawn GP team in the past three grands prix.

After a stellar start to the campaign, which saw Jenson Button claim six of the first seven race wins on his way to the Championship lead, Brawn's performances have suffered in the last few races. Button has failed to finish on the podium in the last three events, the result of which has been a dramatic reduction to his Championship advantage.

The team's slump in form has been put down to tyre wear and, unfortunately for Button, Brawn says they are no closer to find a solution.

"It's completely different to how it was at the beginning of the season," he said.

"We have got to unravel perhaps what we have done in the last couple of races and understand if we have done something that has exacerbated the problem.

"It seems to have changed from where we were three or four races ago. Monaco we didn't have a tyre problem, Turkey we didn't have a tyre problem. We have now had three races where we are really struggling to get the tyres to work.

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Why does that tyre problem exists?
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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^ its probably after a few aero Tweaks that brawn brought in recently.
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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All the other teams are pretty comfortable with the softer tyres which Brawn aint.....And also Brawn begins the race with the softer tyres.....If the fuel load is too low and if its gonna be a shorter stint then well and good.Else they should go for a harder tyre for the first 2 stints and softer for the 3rd and shortest stint to manage this problem until they find out their Aero issue
(im too lazy to type out the reasons.. )

Consider this.. in the last laps.. the softer options wont work as everyone will be pushing in very hard. soft options will wear out faster for brawn thus causing obvious issues on lap times and places eventually.

Now say they run it up in the start.. they go faster gain more time. come in early for a pit stop and then use the normal or hard compound ones which are giving less traction right now but will work as they wear out a bit. so the rest of the race can be maintained on those.
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(im too lazy to type out the reasons.. )

Consider this.. in the last laps.. the softer options wont work as everyone will be pushing in very hard. soft options will wear out faster for brawn thus causing obvious issues on lap times and places eventually.

Now say they run it up in the start.. they go faster gain more time. come in early for a pit stop and then use the normal or hard compound ones which are giving less traction right now but will work as they wear out a bit. so the rest of the race can be maintained on those.
Yeah...but coming into the pits earlier in the race does cost positions,,isnt it????
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Yeah...but coming into the pits earlier in the race does cost positions,,isnt it????
There are always 2 ways to think over it.

Consider this

Possibility 1) Start with softer options, come in early, fuel heavily say 10 seconds, itll cost you a lot of time.. approx 32 seconds in and out. thats about 6-8 places. and then wait for everybody to dive in.. then make up time as you will have around say another 25 laps in hand. go in again.. fuel med. hard options and you are good to go till the end.

Possibility 2) Start with Normal Options, Fuel Optimally, then dive in at around lap 15-18, get out fast. make up the time on soft options.. say around 20 laps, dive in again .. hard options.. med fuel load and voila.. you ar egood to go till the end

anything can work.. you never know.. they have teams of people doing these calculations.. just to get them up.. so its a huge task honestly.
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There are always 2 ways to think over it.

Consider this

Possibility 1) Start with softer options, come in early, fuel heavily say 10 seconds, itll cost you a lot of time.. approx 32 seconds in and out. thats about 6-8 places. and then wait for everybody to dive in.. then make up time as you will have around say another 25 laps in hand. go in again.. fuel med. hard options and you are good to go till the end.

Possibility 2) Start with Normal Options, Fuel Optimally, then dive in at around lap 15-18, get out fast. make up the time on soft options.. say around 20 laps, dive in again .. hard options.. med fuel load and voila.. you ar egood to go till the end

anything can work.. you never know.. they have teams of people doing these calculations.. just to get them up.. so its a huge task honestly.


But if he comes in to pits earlier in the race even though make a huge 3rd stint........he will lose up track position..............so wise to run a little longer 1st & 2nd stint with harder tyres and softer tyres for a short 3rd stint with the softer tyres
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But if he comes in to pits earlier in the race even though make a huge 3rd stint........he will lose up track position..............so wise to run a little longer 1st & 2nd stint with harder tyres and softer tyres for a short 3rd stint with the softer tyres
both are an essential risk as i said earlier.. the soft compounds last like 7 laps tops with max grip.. they wear out faster on the brawns.. say they change on the last 15 or 17 laps.. then kaboom.. youll loose out anyways.
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both are an essential risk as i said earlier.. the soft compounds last like 7 laps tops with max grip.. they wear out faster on the brawns.. say they change on the last 15 or 17 laps.. then kaboom.. youll loose out anyways.
Last stint should be only for 10 -12 laps.....not more than that,,1st 2 stints should be really long stints
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Last stint should be only for 10 -12 laps.....not more than that,,1st 2 stints should be really long stints
if you go on too late.. then its of no use.. you have to push before last 15.. last 10-12 is suicide.
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